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Gaile Gray · Aug 22, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

The official word, as I thought it would be, is that we're fine with people trading things that they legitimately earn in the game.

Mohnzh · Aug 22, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Thanks for participating in this thread, Gaile!

To attempt to get further clarification, do you mean that you are fine with people trading things that they COULD legitimately earn in the game, or things that they DID legitimately earn in the game. It seems to me that the OP is concerned that what he is purchasing may have been obtained by the seller in an illegitimate fashion. Will he be faulted for that? It seems like 3-4k for 7 UNID is not unreasonable, may even be a good marketing ploy. That is probably what I would sell them for. But he is concerned with the "too good to be true" possibility. If these UNID golds were obtained by botting or duping, is he at risk not having know how the seller (with the unintelligible names) obtained them?

My Sweet Revenga · Aug 22, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

How did he know it had a perfect damage "mod" before it was ID'd? He got lucky if it was 15^50. Rare skin...that's another thing. But what rare skin was it?

Back before there were inscriptions, 15^50 really meant something to a lot of people. These days, not so much thanks to inscriptions, but for some weapons like gothic swords that are usually non-inscribable, it still means a lot. Back when it was worth doing, people actually did tests and stuff and made excel sheets, wrote numbers down, ect. to test the mods on their unid golds to figure out what it was. Obviously this was only worth doing on rare high demand skins like gothic swords and dual gothic axes.

The first most obvious test was to equip it. If your health immediately jumped up, it was a fortitude mod. What level of fortitude could be figured out by how much health you gained. Tests like that. Next you take any white sword out and hit a monster with it and write down the number. Equip a weapon you know has a +15^50 mod and hit that same monster, take down the number. Now equip the unid gold and hit that same monster with it. If the damage is around the same as when you hit it with the 15^50 mod, then you know the mod on the unid gold is +15%. Now just to figure out if the condition is ^50, -5 energy, or whatever. So you gotta do all these tests and write down all the numbers and after a while, you'll have a nice compiled list that you can use to test unid golds and figure out what the mods are. Too much work to be really worth it these days.... rather just id the gold and up my title count

Vamis Threen · Aug 22, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

The official word, as I thought it would be, is that we're fine with people trading things that they legitimately earn in the game.

Thanks for that, Gaile. I really didn't expect to get an official response, I just thought the issue was worth discussing.

Kool Pajamas · Aug 22, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

The official word, as I thought it would be, is that we're fine with people trading things that they legitimately earn in the game.

Wow...I can't believe that was even in question.....

Kinda sad we have to question trading things we have earned ourselves.

Shiishii Momo · Aug 22, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

I can't believe this thread has made it past page one. There is absolutely nothing in the EULA that states it's a ban-able offense to make a trade for items from another character (bot or not) when you are trading in game currency for items at/above/below market value. Buying/selling unid golds is perfectly normal, and although we all know that most of the bulk sales, the 7 for 3.5K or 4K sellers are probably bot slaves, the fact is that you are making a legitimate trade at that moment between 2 accounts. The mass bans were for duped items, specifically armbraces and ectos, as A-Net has pointed out, it is unlikely that ppl were duping unid'd golds as they are not stackable, and besides that, we all know THE TRUTH about the duping deal.

Vamis Threen · Aug 22, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Shiishii Momo

I can't believe this thread has made it past page one. There is absolutely nothing in the EULA that states it's a ban-able offense to make a trade for items from another character (bot or not) when you are trading in game currency for items at/above/below market value. Buying/selling unid golds is perfectly normal, and although we all know that most of the bulk sales, the 7 for 3.5K or 4K sellers are probably bot slaves, the fact is that you are making a legitimate trade at that moment between 2 accounts. The mass bans were for duped items, specifically armbraces and ectos, as A-Net has pointed out, it is unlikely that ppl were duping unid'd golds as they are not stackable, and besides that, we all know THE TRUTH about the duping deal.

You mean "The Truth Part 1?" Now that was a giggle.

Your opening comment is a bit harsh, you may not have noticed but there is not a lot to talk about right now other than GWEN, which has its own separate place on Guru. But yeah, you're right the discussion has run its course, especially now there is an official comment.

jjdefan · Aug 28, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

Apparently many bots are NOT monitored as some players are messing with the bots by forming a party with the bot and screwing up its run. If the bot was monitored at all times, this would not be possible.

I don't see how this would be possible. It would require that the bot ACCEPT the party invitation. Just sending a party invite would not alter the course of a programmed bot.

luminoire · Aug 28, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

no people who sell unIDs with strange names aren't bots. type in some chinese and they'll start conversing coherently. this isn't a racist statement, it's an observation.

Red Sonya · Aug 28, 2007, 06:55 PM // 18:55

A bunch of gold unidentifieds could have been as easily duped as anything else, value wise it wouldn't be very profitable I wouldn't think since they don't stack and armbraces would have been much more lucrative. Still you can never just put it aside as it would never happen there's always someone to prove you wrong. It's just best not to buy anything from anyone anymore and then you are safe.

Well I mean if it's that "too good to be true" type price tag.

Red Sonya · Aug 28, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

The official word, as I thought it would be, is that we're fine with people trading things that they legitimately earn in the game.

The 2nd question which still goes unanwered is how does the BUYER KNOW that the SELLER is sellling a LEGITIMATELY earned item? hrmmmm?

AndyBaines · Aug 28, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by EroChrono

First of all; if you gave away 1, just 1, victory token you have absolutely no reason, what so ever, to be banned, as 1 token is worth about 2 seconds of farming, no big deal..

I give away stuff all the time, is that a big no no now..?

EternalTempest · Aug 28, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Nothing wrong with buying un-identified Golds.

As pointed out your probable not going to get anything max as sellers know how to screen things to find out what the mods are.

Zeek Aran · Aug 28, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

*got bored and didn't read anything but the Gaile post on page three*

Um... bots farm up golds all the time. They don't ID them. The question still stands if it's right or not to buy unIDs from people who appear to be bots.

Hyper.nl · Aug 29, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

The official word, as I thought it would be, is that we're fine with people trading things that they legitimately earn in the game.

That´s for selling. What about buying? When you buy unid golds <or any item> you typically do not know how the seller obtained it.